Context, pre-warning, and “snapshots”

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With counties returning to competition this weekend, we have Rugby Weekly Extra The trio of Murray Kinsella, Bernard Jackman and presenter Gavan Casey returned to the mic today for the first weekend review podcast of the 2022/23 season.

For this week only, the exclusive Monday pod is usually available to members for free – whether you’re a member or not The42 – and can be listened to on all good podcast players (This link will take you to today’s episode on the default player).

Naturally, Kinsella, Jackman and Casey have raised the hood in the county URC fixtures, including a starring role as Stuart McCloskey in the first interpro of the season between Ulster and Connacht. Furthermore, Murray and Bernard have given their contradictory ideas about the merits of Emerging Ireland’s upcoming tour to South Africa, likely to make its way into Andy Farrell’s World Cup squad within the next 12 months from the chosen team.

But first of all, the Rugby Weekly Extra The crew dug into the controversy the entire rugby world has been talking about since last Thursday’s Bledisloe Cup match, when referee Matteo Raynal misjudged Australia on a five-meter streak to waste time between the 79th and 80th minutes while trying to get out. With a 37-34 lead over its neighbors New Zealand.

The controversial nature of Rinal’s decision was underlined by the fact that the All Blacks went on to score and win the match 39-37 from the output turnover, ending Australia’s hopes of a rugby championship title.

The French official’s daring call was hotly contested in the aftermath of the match, not least in Australia whose rugby union wrote to World Rugby a letter regarding the “arrogant nature of the rules and officials”.

But in today’s room, both Jackman and Kinsella explained why they believed Raynal was within his rights to grant possession to New Zealand in the circumstances, with Jackman going on to describe the Australian rugby message as “nonsense”.

“I think he was right, honestly,” Jackman said. “We were fortunate enough to get additional footage, after the match, from the conversations. We got an insight into the exact time Bernard Foley took. We saw his teammates object to him – they all felt he went too far.

Only on Raynal: Sometimes you say the referee is making a big call in there and then they look for ‘out’; they give Australia a penalty or something to make sure the result ends the same way. [as if they hadn’t made the original big call]. But he didn’t.

“And I think he was right. We all hate wasting time. I totally understand, as a coach, that you’re asking Bernard Foley to manage it as best he can – but without risking his penalty. I think it’s a good thing that it helps speed up the game.”

Kinsella said he “couldn’t believe the whining and whining about it.”

“I think Raynal made the right decision at that momentThe42 Rugby journalist added. And that’s something I didn’t see on the other side of this argument: context. Like, people say, ‘Where’s the consistency? Sometimes you get 30 or 40 seconds to kick the ball by touching it – but that’s literally in a completely different context within the game. The Blacks want a chance and I know that even if the clock turns red, [Australia] You should take the streak anyway, but there’s a good chunk of the time there – there’s likely to be two phases of play.

Another layer of context are Bernard Foley’s repeated warnings. “Play on,” says Rinal, “we play,” he goes and says it directly to Foley’s face: “We have to play now.” Another five seconds pass, he says, “Play,” Foley turns again to his attackers who are in Gather and obviously not chase the ball – it’s almost painful to watch. [Lalakai] Foketi yells and the other looks at him still, sort of looking at Raynal one last time before he starts moving forward.

The other context is that, in the first half, Raynal actually gave them a warning about it when the Wallabies had two yellow cards and they got a penalty at 22′, and he stopped playing there too. [when Australia attempt to run time off the clock with a two-man disadvantage]. You can hear him say, “We’re playing, we’re playing” to James Slipper at that point, turning the clock back and saying, “Come, kick it to touch.”

“So there is a lot of context, in addition to the context in which Matthew Raynal is judging! There is a lot of analysis done on the referees now, there is a lot of understanding of who they are and how they make decisions, and you have to know with Raynal that he is a strong judge.

And after the match, I think the most interesting clip is where he talks to Nick White.

“Now, I didn’t like some of Rinal’s attitude here or the way he puts his finger in Wyatt’s chest,” Kinsella added of the post-match referee exchange with the Wallabies half, “but Raynal said, and I have it here: ‘It’s not fair you did in the end, you Just manage the time. If you think I can’t give a little money and spin, you’re making a mistake. And bang, the finger goes to his chest. He says, “Now, you know it.”

“And look, maybe that’s not a good picture. But this is Raynal, he probably saw it as a challenge to him as a person, as a challenge to his authority as a referee, and responded by making that decision. I think he gave them more than enough warnings, and I honestly don’t have much sympathy for The Wallabies family.”

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In his response to Jackman, presenter Casey posited that, “What Raynal says to Nick White in that little exchange afterwards, where he says, ‘If you thought I wasn’t able to provide it, you now know’: that suggests to me that it was a personal decision. A very, very forgiving decision, in fact, and was about proving a point: “Oh, do you want to test me? Well, I will show you. And that’s not how a game should be governed, I would suggest? “

“Yeah, look, maybe he let the emotion in [when speaking with White post-match]Jackman replied. “He would have known in this final, with New Zealand scoring, that this was going to be a huge moment. And Nick White was coming in to attack him effectively as well. So I agree with you the language he used wasn’t great – I think 24 hours later he might have handled it differently. A little… But he’s in the middle of the field where the Australians get angry, he knows he made the call and thinks he made the right call, and Nick White… I’m sure there’s a long-term relationship there of questioning, defiance, etc., laughed the former Ireland bitch.

So I think Rinal may not have handled it very well in the way he said it, but at the end of the day I think the decision is technically correct. I hope someone in World Rugby is ready to cut the paper when that message comes in – I think that’s nonsense.

“And dry, just to speak your point,” Kinsella added, “The truth is that for 80 minutes, the players were continuously Challenging judgment in this way. As in: “This will not be granted.”

We see him at every collapse, there are hands on the ground before they hit the ball; There are bits of time wasted, there are scrum offenses, and there are deviations from the rules continuously for 80 minutes. And all of these are challenges to referees—and we’re actually complaining, as supporters or as media, all the time, “Why don’t referees just test that? It’s a twisted feed into a scrum, imagine if the referee had tones to hook that into every single time.”

“Yeah, it’s a bit personal, but it’s like Raynal was defending the referees, you know? ‘You pushed us too far.’ He had had enough and he broke in that moment.

“This didn’t go the Wallabies’ way: They pushed the law to its limits, pushed it too far this time, and the referee just said, ‘No, I don’t have this. “

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